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conduit24's avatar

Excellent summarisation. I recently read End Times myself and have been watching talks and interviews with Turchin. I have Ultrasociety and War and Peace and War on my shelf to read next, when I get around to it. The way I always interpreted the "wealth pump" (from a systems perspective) was that it was primarily driven by self-reinforcing positive feedback loops which cause the concentration of wealth and power to accelerate exponentially over time, thus resulting in instability. And as you point out at the end of your article, we need to find a way to maintain robust negative feedback loops in perpetuity (whether through taxation or whatever) that prevent this inequality spiral from periodically destabilising society. But that requires constant vigilance by the populace to guard against the concentration of wealth and prevent regulatory capture, and also maintain robust social institutions capable of retaining information and passing knowledge and experience down through the generations.

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Well, Turchin liked your essay, so it's a start.

I'm a fan of Turchin, but his approach works at the macro general level (birds eye view explanation).

For instance, drawing from your interpretation and conclusion, in my opinion, there's an omission of small details in both the case of why the USA was able to avoid collapse during the Civil War and New Deal eras. Namely, national patriotic champions and limited power of foreign interference.

DJT is a grifter, his track record before politics is the inverse of virtue, involves keyfabe and most importantly, greed. If we were to get into the weeds of actual policies enacted thus far we'd find much of the same Republican Neoliberal stale economic recipes. And more importantly, DJT is supported by the new American aristocracy of the techbros (JDV is their man, courtesy of Thiel) and the Israeli lobby. The use of tariffs has also fizzled, in the sense tariffs can be a policy instrument to boost manufacturing and industrial growth, but only if crafted within a strategy foreseeing these core elements, which perhaps aside from computer chips, hasn't come to pass.

DJT definitely does represent a different faction of the elite, but personally I wouldn't go so far as to call it a counterelite. He's still nested within the overall American elite.

And referring back to Turchin, there's no evidence the wealth pump has been curtailed.

The other elephant in the room is the Israeli connection, which connects with the hangover from the Cold War of US foreign policy being run mostly by covert agencies (even USAID was a form of covert operations). Unfortunately the USA elites have merged with European elites and a patchwork of global elites. This transnational element throws another spanner in the works in terms of the possibilities of counterelites emerging within the institutions and seizing control of the steering wheel. In Europe we have the same problem, and the recent elections in Romania and Moldova highlight the single-minded policy direction of the establishment elites.

And all this is without coming to BRICS and Russia, Iran, China, etc.

Back in January when DJT was being sworn in, with a straight face Larry Ellison announced how citizens would be on their best behavior because of monitoring technologies. This line was repeated recently in an exchange with Blair and Starmer in the UK has brought out the intention of digital IDs. More broadly both the UK and Germany have lately been cracking down more severely on free speech. All this has been ongoing for a few years now. Taken together, we can see the broad contours of travel for "the West". It is what it is and highlights the lack of concern by the establishment elites to the accumulating tensions.

Lastly, and I'm not the first to say it, the next economic crisis will concern the to big to fail sovereign debts. The solution to this issue will be the final metamorphosis of the West. Indeed, the wealth pump combined with demographic analysis are good ideas and certainly do provide a good framework for analysis, but they don't consider the [messy] issue of power and it's corollaries, like hegemony, especially transnationally.

I read a good substack essay on the upcoming unholy alliance between climate fanatics, Palestinian supporters, islamists, the TQI gender crowd, socialists, etc, which will ignite the revolution. On the other side of the barricades will be the nationalists, the Zionists, Christians and Catholics. All these groupings will be controlled by the same elites. I think this is an important point to keep in mind. It is possible new groups emerge during upheaval, like anarchists or patriots, but perhaps not at first.

In terms of a new and better system, this requires those with the biggest stick to be enlightened in terms of sharing power. Historically this has never happened. Some have come close to doing interesting things, for instance, the city state of Venice or the federal empire of SE Asia, but unfortunately humans have demonstrated themselves to be unable to do so.

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