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"we basically see no warfare in the evidence from hunter-gatherers. If there was violence, it was likely between individuals, not between groups."

Not all. Amazonian Yanomami, New-Guinea highlanders, and other groups record 15-36 % of adult male deaths in conflict, well above modern state averages.

"the Yanomamö Indians of Amazonas during the past 23 years show that 44 percent of males estimated to be 25 or older have participated in the killing of someone, that approximately 30 percent of adult male deaths are due to violence" - https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.239.4843.985

Enga (New Guinea Highlands) 15–25% of men died in warfare - https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/server/api/core/bitstreams/cc35c6fd-225f-4db1-a34d-0301c6fe4710/content

Hiwi (foragers, Venezuela) “36% of all precontact adult deaths were due to warfare and homicide.”

Aché (foragers, Paraguay) "Violence is the major cause of death among the precontact Ache (~55% of all deaths)"

- https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhevol.2006.11.003

Perhaps most telling is the *actual footage of hunter-gatherer group conflicts* we have today. Here's a classic showcasing the battle between two West Papua tribes: https://archive.org/details/west-papua-tribal-war-original-footage-1963

The world was less homogeneous than you paint it. Nomadic Pleistocene bands probably had low lethal violence shares below today's standards, in no small part because they rarely ever encountered rivals. But the more sedentary Holocene foragers often fought in small but deadly raids.

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"This relatively peaceful existence was likely possible, because humans are quite egalitarian in their origin. Only around 11,000 years ago do we see the first consistent markers of hierarchy, like bigger graves or larger houses. Present day nomadic hunter-gatherers still maintain an egalitarian lifestyle. They make sure that everyone who tries to dominate the hierarchy is brought down again"

Again you overstate the evidence.

Archaeology shows clear, repeated signals of social differentiation well before 9000 BC, with striking wealth disparities between individuals in burials:

Sunghir (Russia, 34000 BC) https://doi.org/10.15184/aqy.2017.223

Rich Paleolithic burial in Italy: https://durham-repository.worktribe.com/file/1565645/1/Published%20Journal%20Article

Dolní Věstonice (Czech, 23000 BC): famous triple burial with abundant status-laden items

https://doi.org/10.1002/(SICI)1096-8644(199701)102:1%3C123::AID-AJPA10%3E3.0.CO;2-2

Egalitarianism of all kinds in hunter gatherer societies is a massive point of contention and the evidence points to diversity rather than homogeneous egalitarianism. We even have proof of slavery in some hunter-gatherer groups, especially those that were semi-sedentary. Here are a couple of sources touching on this:

https://www.scribd.com/document/365764936/Kelly-2013-1

https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev.an.23.100194.001233

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-truth-about-primitive-life-a-critique-of-anarchoprimitivism

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